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Posted on Tuesday, September 07 @ 08:47:57 MDT by eucarya |
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Re: Scathing blogs on Roosevelt/Grandevelt (Score: 1)
by pete on Friday, September 10 @ 04:15:58 MDT
(User Info | Send a Message) http://www.mediapetros.com | RE: thetearsofthings.net’s recent look at the downtown arts community…
Looking at the blog as it loaded, what first struck me was just how generic and unimpressive its appearance was – I mean I could understand if it were on blogger.com or some such but, for chrissakes, they have their own domain name and everything. You’d think they’d invest a little time and effort to make it look better than this – white background, an overused font in a standard blue box at top? I half expected to see Christmas lights running down the right side of the screen.
Why not use a customized template and dress it up a bit? Try blogskins.com
It looked so bad from the outside I barely had the energy to dig into the content. But I did and here are some highlights:
RE: the plant life outside Modified, du Bois writes: “This is a saguaro cactus. Big deal, right? Your God-damned right it is! For any truly sensitive Valley denizen, much less thirty-year desert dwellers like Lady and I, the saguaro is a spiritual being… Modified Arts looks like this all the time, certainly for the two years we've been monitoring the dump. If we owned this place… we'd take that saguaro back to the desert where it belongs.”
They’ve been watching this cactus for two years, watching as this spiritual being has had to endure cigarette ashes, punk rock music, and other countless “abuses”… and have done absolutely nothing about it? I’m sure the cactus would appreciate their concern, it cacti could read. But cacti are illiterate, so there you go. Since they’ve monitored Modified for two years, I’ll bet they know when people are around and when they aren’t. I guess these two artists have never heard of a shovel. And I guess the old saying is true: Those who can ARE, those who can’t ART.
They sent “Open Letters” to Greg Esser and Phil Jones. To which, du Bois comments: “Mr. Jones finally got back to us, and we gave him a couple of options to meet, and plenty of time. No reply. And Esser's been mum since the get-go.”
Yes, they want an open dialog with both (as evidenced by the fact the letters, and any responses if ever sent, will be posted on the blog), yet the sentence just prior to the preceding quote reads:
“First some housekeeping: no more comments.”
Gee, I love the smell of irony in the morning. They want discourse, but only if they control it I guess.
Not to say the article(s) didn’t have some good points. Some were raised.
Case in point - Just today, I was walking by MonOrchid on my way to Fred’s Barber Shop, and the weeds & bushes were so overgrown I couldn’t even use the sidewalk along Rainey’s building. If this were most any other business, or along the side of somebody’s house, the city would be on it like flies on shit. A little yard work there, and at various other locales, would go a long way to encourage the “pedestrian-friendly” atmosphere of which the downtown arts community says it supports.
Regarding the recent article by Amy Young in ‘shade’, Catherine says: “She gets right to her central point at the end of this submarine of a paragraph, voicing the unspoken assumption of Stale Cake and her band of fakes-- the Grand Avenue Scene is about the sparkling artistic celebrities who live and play down there. Well, no, sweetie -- it's supposed to be about the art.”
Oh really? I’m sorry, that’s not what I gathered from reading your blog, Catherine.
I thought it was all about the signage and buildings.
Never once was entering a gallery and looking at the ART mentioned. Hell, from what was written, I didn’t even realize that’s what I'd find inside these buildings.
Maybe the next entry on thetearsofthings.net should be about doors. And how to open them. And walk through.
Rumor has it, that’s how one actually finds the art. I’d love to comment further but, apparently, “no more comments” are allowed.
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Re: Scathing blogs on Roosevelt/Grandevelt (Score: 1)
by JeromeduBois (kinganddubois@cox.net) on Friday, September 10 @ 12:21:34 MDT
(User Info | Send a Message) | Thank you for the opportunity for us to make our position clear.
We will be out in the galleries for October First Friday. Here we would just like to repeat a warning from a recent post:
If you see us on the street, in a gallery, in a museum, in a restaurant, in the grocery, in a parking lot, in a bookstore -- anywhere -- do not approach us, no matter how friendly your intentions. We're not friendly, we don't want to talk to you, and we're both armed.
Hope that clears it up.
And a note from the future: as presently constituted, Artlink is over, Downtown is done. We're gonna burn your kites.
Sincerely,
Jerome du Bois
Catherine King
The Tears of Things |
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Re: Scathing blogs on Roosevelt/Grandevelt (Score: 1)
by AZJoker on Monday, September 27 @ 07:53:30 MDT
(User Info | Send a Message) | I posted this on the artlink site but it appears people are discussign here:
Appears somebody might have threatened them? I don't agree with all of their views but they have some points. What is the purpose or role of having "galleries" on Roosevelt/Grand? What is it expected to evolve into? I did the Art Detour for the frist time this year. Yes there was some interesting work. But there was a lot of questionable work and questionable galleries. I found myself asking if they were political platforms or slums where there was a feable attempt to call oneself an artist rather than a platform to show evolving styles and forms of expression?
Granted I have no desire to see the galleries "yuppified" like Scottsdale but lets get real, if the artists expect to be respected as "artists" there has to be some professionalism. It doesn't mean putting on the polo shirt and slicking the hair back to show your work but at least some of these places could present their works with some more creativity other than Walt Disney animation.
Granted some of you might hiss at me for speaking my mind but I did.
Until the "art" community starts taking this thing seriously I see it fading away like some of the paint on some of these questionable galleries. |
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Re: Scathing blogs on Roosevelt/Grandevelt (Score: 1)
by tonyash on Friday, September 10 @ 16:57:44 MDT
(User Info | Send a Message | Journal) http://www.artish.org | Jerome/Catherine,
I believe there is an important point that needs to be brought out in the open. This point is the reason behind your anger and criticism of the downtown Phoenix arts community. It should be noted would be that the "word on the street" is that the reason behind your anger may be the fact that your art was rejected at some galleries downtown.
Looking at the "art" you have on your website it is no wonder why.
Unfortunately, there comes a time where someone or many people are not going to like your work.
Most artists are able to deal with this criticism and rejection in a productive manner, however it seems that you are not.
I notice on your site you have no place for criticism or even a way to have a public dialog with you. It appears you are afraid that others may have different opinions than yours and you are not okay with that.
You see, it is people like you that ruin things for everyone else. It's not surprising that on your site you talk of how you dress only in the finest clothes and common themes appear in your blogs of how you are better than everyone else, and this usually relates to how you dress better, look better, think better, and have more money than most other people. You criticize art spaces and galleries who provide a much needed service to our community. More often than not, these people are providing a service that they either straight up DO NOT PROFIT from or that they make a nominal profit from.
From your blog it is also very apparent that you are well off financially. I mean, who has time and money to buy flowers, arrange them, then photograph them and put them on their website for others to "enjoy". Now while I enjoy the beauty of nature and flowers probably more than most, I must say that your photos are sub-par to put it kindly; to put it bluntly - they suck. Read the manual on your digital camera, you may find some use in it.
Anyway, getting back to the point of your wealth. You are out of touch with the real world. Some people don't have $100 to waste on a sign that can easily provide the same information for free. To us regular people $100 is a lot of money that we don't go wasting. I could go on and on criticizing you and your ideas/ideals, but I just wanted to make these brief points.
I find it ironic that to even have this dialog with you it needs to be done on this 3rd party site because you are too afraid to allow comments and discussion on your own site.
I think that until you open up your own gallery and put your cards on the table that you need to stop your critique of those who do.
Oh, and one last point:
You're threats do not scare us. We too have arms.
These colors don't run.
United we stand.
Remember the Alamo!
Insert generic patriotic nationalistic bullshit here |
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Re: Scathing blogs on Roosevelt/Grandevelt (Score: 1)
by WatchTheLightDie (watchthelightdie@hotmail.com) on Thursday, February 15 @ 17:40:33 MST
(User Info | Send a Message) http://www.myspace.com/watchthelightdie | Actually, I agree with the people on The Tears of Things... And this is why:
First impressions are everything--if you're selling inside, it might help that the gallery you're featuring in looks clean and descent outside so people will want to come in.. if it looks like a dump in a ghetto, they maybe a lil intimidated to leave their car in the dirt lot filled with broken glass across the street for the next 45 minutes while they look at art...
let's just face it--in order to survive as an artist you've got to sell art for more than $100 a painting.. or if you wanna sell at $25 a pop you better sell an aweful damn lot.. either way, if the place is a dump, who's gonna want to stop and shop there? seriously--do you eat in dirty restaurants? ook maybe you do and you really don't care if a cockroach scurries across the floor while you're dining or don't mind buying shirts in a place that smells like cigarettes and pee.. but anyway, i digress...
4 years ago i moved here from (urgh) the east coast.. i went downtown to see the art/the shows.. i sold stuff downtown (ok i sat in a dirt lot and watched people look at my stuff and go oh that's nice and move on or try and barter a vegan dinner for a painting that cost 5xs as much to make as their tofu whatever..) so i can be a lil jaded on somethings.. but really--if people don't clean up the place soon city council will.. and nobody wants them to "clean up" because all they'll do is gentrify downtown and turn it into a starbucks fucking corporate no sense of taste carbon copy of everything else..
so hell--just pick it up a lil, paint some walls, put out ash trays... and stop breaking beer bottles everywhere (nothing is more fucking annoying than tip toeing around in sandals on a 100 degree night in downtown phoenix--god only knows what diseases you'll get if you step on something sharp down there)..
it wouldn't hurt to make it cleaner and more professional looking so that the bourgeois come down from Snottsdale and drop $500 on a painting or 2--let's exploit them for a change goddamit!!!
but truly--right now, i much prefer to have my stuff in coffee shops in Tempe and Mesa just because the environment isn't an eye sore... kudos for someone having the balls to say this shit.. |
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Re: Scathing blogs on Roosevelt/Grandevelt (Score: 1)
by WatchTheLightDie (watchthelightdie@hotmail.com) on Thursday, February 15 @ 17:40:35 MST
(User Info | Send a Message) http://www.myspace.com/watchthelightdie | Actually, I agree with the people on The Tears of Things... And this is why:
First impressions are everything--if you're selling inside, it might help that the gallery you're featuring in looks clean and descent outside so people will want to come in.. if it looks like a dump in a ghetto, they maybe a lil intimidated to leave their car in the dirt lot filled with broken glass across the street for the next 45 minutes while they look at art...
let's just face it--in order to survive as an artist you've got to sell art for more than $100 a painting.. or if you wanna sell at $25 a pop you better sell an aweful damn lot.. either way, if the place is a dump, who's gonna want to stop and shop there? seriously--do you eat in dirty restaurants? ook maybe you do and you really don't care if a cockroach scurries across the floor while you're dining or don't mind buying shirts in a place that smells like cigarettes and pee.. but anyway, i digress...
4 years ago i moved here from (urgh) the east coast.. i went downtown to see the art/the shows.. i sold stuff downtown (ok i sat in a dirt lot and watched people look at my stuff and go oh that's nice and move on or try and barter a vegan dinner for a painting that cost 5xs as much to make as their tofu whatever..) so i can be a lil jaded on somethings.. but really--if people don't clean up the place soon city council will.. and nobody wants them to "clean up" because all they'll do is gentrify downtown and turn it into a starbucks fucking corporate no sense of taste carbon copy of everything else..
so hell--just pick it up a lil, paint some walls, put out ash trays... and stop breaking beer bottles everywhere (nothing is more fucking annoying than tip toeing around in sandals on a 100 degree night in downtown phoenix--god only knows what diseases you'll get if you step on something sharp down there)..
it wouldn't hurt to make it cleaner and more professional looking so that the bourgeois come down from Snottsdale and drop $500 on a painting or 2--let's exploit them for a change goddamit!!!
but truly--right now, i much prefer to have my stuff in coffee shops in Tempe and Mesa just because the environment isn't an eye sore... kudos for someone having the balls to say this shit.. |
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